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Frost Protection + Window Boxes | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep9
Episode nine of The Solo Barndo Build. We get the Hitz Halter frost protection secured and then I frame up and secure all the window boxes.
The Cedar plan is thoughtfully designed to maximize space and cost efficiency, without sacrificing function! This open-concept plan features 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with plenty of space to add another bedroom and/or bathroom upstairs. A large 8′ kitchen island, feature fireplace, and charming wrap around porch come together to make this home feel cozy and welcoming. The Cedar plan provides an economical structure with 14′ sidewalls and a vaulted ceiling upstairs, helping reduce building costs by utilizing a “one and a half” story design.
Paul will be breaking down the days/hours it takes for each portion of this build.
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0:00 Episode Intro
0:35 Series Intro
1:20 Frost Protection
4:30 Window Box Framing
8:41 Window Layout
11:33 Attaching Window Boxes
14:35 Closing
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Spray Foam Prep | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 26
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Paul and Emily discuss insulation options and preparing for spray foam. Original Spray Foam Prep Video ua-cam.com/video/rV-JgQRAOZ8/v-deo.html Detailed Spray Foam Video ua-cam.com/video/GtvUn9L-iXA/v-deo.html Barndo Budget Worksheet www.mrpostframe.com/product-page/barndominium-build-budget MR Post Frame x Back Forty DESIGN SERVICES backfortybuildings.com/ DIY Building Contracting Membership Co...
Squaring Structure + Roof Sheathing + Underlayment | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep8
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Episode eight of The Solo Barndo Build. I get the structure all plumb and squared, the sheathing on the roof (osb), and the synthetic underlayment on the osb. The Cedar plan is thoughtfully designed to maximize space and cost efficiency, without sacrificing function! This open-concept plan features 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with plenty of space to add another bedroom and/or bathroom upstairs....
Girt Options - Post Frame | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 25
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Paul and Emily discuss framing girt options. Standard vs Bookshelf Girts. Original Bookshelf Girt Video ua-cam.com/video/hM4V0kpx_94/v-deo.html Current Girt Framing Approach ua-cam.com/video/jilupP1HnzA/v-deo.html Barndo Budget Worksheet www.mrpostframe.com/product-page/barndominium-build-budget MR Post Frame x Back Forty DESIGN SERVICES backfortybuildings.com/ DIY Building Contracting Membersh...
Grade Board + Jacks + Fascia | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep7
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Episode seven of The Solo Barndo Build. I get all the grade board secured, overhang jacks attached, and fascia boards put in place. The Cedar plan is thoughtfully designed to maximize space and cost efficiency, without sacrificing function! This open-concept plan features 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with plenty of space to add another bedroom and/or bathroom upstairs. A large 8′ kitchen island,...
Metal Exterior | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 24
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Paul and Emily discuss all things metal exterior...including suppliers, quality, trims, and what they'd change. Original Metal Install Videos Part 1 - ua-cam.com/video/dVIhJe1NizM/v-deo.html Part 2 - ua-cam.com/video/gmkhho4r 4/v-deo.html Part 3 - ua-cam.com/video/nqH4quETStk/v-deo.html Part 4 - ua-cam.com/video/7HDw6jMiT9c/v-deo.html Part 5 - ua-cam.com/video/CzXqXAOhHLI/v-deo.html Sherwin Wil...
Setting Trusses + Purlins | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep6
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Episode six of The Solo Barndo Build. I get all the vaulted trusses set, secure the purlins, and build the end wall. The Cedar plan is thoughtfully designed to maximize space and cost efficiency, without sacrificing function! This open-concept plan features 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with plenty of space to add another bedroom and/or bathroom upstairs. A large 8′ kitchen island, feature firepl...
Our Door Mistake | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 23
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Paul and Emily discuss their door mistake and how they would remedy. Original Door Install ua-cam.com/video/G1sb_CJ0p5U/v-deo.html Other Door Install Videos Pocket Door Framing - ua-cam.com/video/bm1xAzEdAPM/v-deo.html Pocket Door - ua-cam.com/video/FFz6nJkPbLg/v-deo.html Interior Doors - ua-cam.com/video/x88jfyo-n78/v-deo.html Exterior Door On Concrete - ua-cam.com/video/986oiv3Gv00/v-deo.html...
Purlin + Overhang Jack Prep | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep5
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Episode five of The Solo Barndo Build. I show you how to create and overhang jack and also walk through an easy way to layout and prep all your purlins. The Cedar plan is thoughtfully designed to maximize space and cost efficiency, without sacrificing function! This open-concept plan features 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with plenty of space to add another bedroom and/or bathroom upstairs. A lar...
Storm Shelter | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 22
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Storm Shelter | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 22
Framing + Standing Post Frame Walls | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep4
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Framing Standing Post Frame Walls | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep4
Cost To Add Porch | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 21
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Cost To Add Porch | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 21
Column Storyboard | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep3
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Column Storyboard | The Solo Barndo Build | The Cedar | Ep3
Framing Post + Beam Porch | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 20
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Framing Post Beam Porch | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 20
Solo Barndo Build | Frost Protection Dig | The Cedar | Ep2
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Solo Barndo Build | Frost Protection Dig | The Cedar | Ep2
Barndominium Structure Cost | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 19
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Barndominium Structure Cost | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 19
The Cedar | Solo Barndo Build Series | Introduction | Ep1
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The Cedar | Solo Barndo Build Series | Introduction | Ep1
Plans Needed To Build? | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 18
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Plans Needed To Build? | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 18
The Power I've Been Looking For | Anker SOLIX F3800 + Home Power Panel | Hammer Time
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The Power I've Been Looking For | Anker SOLIX F3800 Home Power Panel | Hammer Time
The Perfect Concrete Slab | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 17
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The Perfect Concrete Slab | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 17
BARNDOMINIUM Material + Labor COST + Full Timelapse
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BARNDOMINIUM Material Labor COST Full Timelapse
Best Big Ceiling Fan | 8' MacroAir HVLS Fan Install | Mad County Build
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Best Big Ceiling Fan | 8' MacroAir HVLS Fan Install | Mad County Build
SEPTIC SYSTEM Install | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 16
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SEPTIC SYSTEM Install | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 16
Barndominium RADIANT HEAT Prep | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 15
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Barndominium RADIANT HEAT Prep | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 15
Final Framing Details | The Dog House | 24' x 48' Storage Build | Ep 9
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Final Framing Details | The Dog House | 24' x 48' Storage Build | Ep 9
PROPER Under Slab PLUMBING | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 14
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PROPER Under Slab PLUMBING | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 14
CRACK Free CONCRETE Prep | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 13
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CRACK Free CONCRETE Prep | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 13
Don't Make These Same BARNDO MISTAKES | Pier + Retaining Wall | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 12
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Don't Make These Same BARNDO MISTAKES | Pier Retaining Wall | Is $elf Building Worth It? | Ep 12
2 BARNDOMINIUM Builds in 22 Minutes | Timelapse + Cost Breakdown | Plans Available
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2 BARNDOMINIUM Builds in 22 Minutes | Timelapse Cost Breakdown | Plans Available
New Tools + Suppliers + Info to Build Your Barndominium | NFBA Conference Expo 2024
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New Tools Suppliers Info to Build Your Barndominium | NFBA Conference Expo 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @user-kw1uu5ug4t
    @user-kw1uu5ug4t 16 годин тому

    How many amps for your breaker?

  • @augustk2652
    @augustk2652 21 годину тому

    This comment is two years from the time you made the video; hopefully you are still on UA-cam. Isn’t some air supposed to fire under the manufactured home? I’m asking as I’m going to redo my skirting. Thank you

  • @7upai
    @7upai День тому

    😌😌

  • @Hunter-nx7nb
    @Hunter-nx7nb День тому

    My wife and I are looking to start the process. You should do an episode showing what comes in house plans and how you interpret them.

  • @soniamaria3197
    @soniamaria3197 День тому

    👏👏👏👏👍🤩🥳

  • @marthabenner6528
    @marthabenner6528 День тому

    Does it ever work without electricity?

  • @ShawniaMarie
    @ShawniaMarie День тому

    I am here for the screams!!

  • @alikhalfan9996
    @alikhalfan9996 2 дні тому

    Nice 👍👍👍

  • @uncommonsense5876
    @uncommonsense5876 2 дні тому

    Costs for subcontractors is getting crazy these days ESPECIALLY for hvac and plumbing are SO overpriced in 2024.

  • @homelessguyswifi
    @homelessguyswifi 2 дні тому

    i want to do this

  • @NeuroSurfer80
    @NeuroSurfer80 2 дні тому

    Hello! I am in the process of installing an above ground pool and am considering using similar gym mats as a protective barrier. I was wondering if the gym mats have held up. Have you had any issue, are you happy with them? Thanks for the excellent video!

  • @delmasskipper
    @delmasskipper 2 дні тому

    what is the smallest building you could build using this method (post frame)? what is the max span allowed between those perma-columns?

  • @daveschreier6019
    @daveschreier6019 2 дні тому

    Great video! How high are the sidewalls on that building? How thick is the foam board that you use for frost protection? This build located in the Midwest?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      14’ sidewalls, 2” board thickness, and yes, this build is in Iowa.

  • @1CE1CE
    @1CE1CE 2 дні тому

    I almost got excited until he said in TX, you cannot GC 5:14

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      We’ve heard of some folks finding ways around it but definitely want to research that further

  • @cooper8318
    @cooper8318 2 дні тому

    Is that a 3/12 pitch for the vaulted ceiling? And may I ask how much those trusses cost?

  • @CCRep123
    @CCRep123 2 дні тому

    So what's up with those trenches that are filled with water?

  • @sgwsteve1665
    @sgwsteve1665 2 дні тому

    You are the man. What u do is amazing

  • @cusecrew7106
    @cusecrew7106 2 дні тому

    Do you think doing a frost wall is worth the additional cost over doing it this way?

    • @shawnb8658
      @shawnb8658 2 дні тому

      I feel like if your doing a frost wall you might aswell do a basement... but im curious to hear his thoughts aswell

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      I would say a continuous footing and frost wall is better in some ways but it’s also 4X the cost. I’ve done post frame on footing and frost wall, icf wall, but mostly on piers and I can say it works out very well if done properly. It saves a ton of money, is plenty strong, DIY friendly, and still yields a very efficient home or building. My personal home is on piers and no complaints.

  • @leedchristensen
    @leedchristensen 2 дні тому

    Can you post a link to part 3? It doesn't show up in the play list or to the right where you'd expect.

  • @FightsMicsNMedia
    @FightsMicsNMedia 3 дні тому

    Been watching for quite some time man. Great vids.Much respect

  • @dennismartin3562
    @dennismartin3562 3 дні тому

    If you add the time expense with your insulation costs the benefit of spraying vs. the other option…. It makes more sense to go with spray. Going up and down a ladder using 8’ rolls as a DIY is next to impossible, so you’d need a lift= more money and time for a helper… spray foam… Materials and insulation are 1 expense… it’s probably not that much more after you consider everything that you need to do

  • @comfort_in_discomfort
    @comfort_in_discomfort 3 дні тому

    Is it common to have portions of the living space without exterior OSB? I know it has metal and a vapor barrier, and spray foam, but no exterior osb. Just curious. Awesome build.

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      Yes, when you use an exposed fastener steel panel that gives the sheer strength so additional sheathing isn’t required. If you choose another type of exterior cladding then you would need to add the sheathing.

    • @comfort_in_discomfort
      @comfort_in_discomfort 2 дні тому

      @@MrPostFrame Excellent. Learning every day. Thank you.

  • @paulinagonalez9022
    @paulinagonalez9022 3 дні тому

    saved my life bro 🙏

  • @denisemontoyaaleman7747
    @denisemontoyaaleman7747 3 дні тому

    How long was the process from start to finish?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      It was a couple of months for what we did for the client

  • @angiebuesing6711
    @angiebuesing6711 3 дні тому

    Guess the whole idea of a pole building being the cheap way to go is gone

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 2 дні тому

      There’s cheaper ways to build something like this it comes down to your goals, etc. This was also in 2021 when lumber and steel prices were at a high.

  • @user-tm7gb5kc5w
    @user-tm7gb5kc5w 4 дні тому

    Your camera man should wear a mic, its almost impossible to hear him

  • @JehuTalk
    @JehuTalk 4 дні тому

    Final Price = $ 356,593.00 34;10 into video.

  • @taniahummelgard2290
    @taniahummelgard2290 4 дні тому

    The more I watch these videos the more my dream of cabin ownership is slowly sucked out of my soul

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      Sorry to hear that. There’s a lot of ways to build these. DIY is definitely most folks way to get what they want on their budget. There are ways that this project could have been done for less, but obviously it wouldn’t have the same maintenance, efficiency, etc.

  • @robertdibiase4832
    @robertdibiase4832 4 дні тому

    Great vid on this subject.

  • @MR-xk7ku
    @MR-xk7ku 4 дні тому

    Is there an extra power/communication wire included with each lineset? How does an extra length of wire connect if it is too short? Is there a wiring harness, or do you need to splice it?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      Line set comes with all the wiring in with the line set. You specify what length line sets you want when ordering. You can extend it if you want and it comes with everything necessary.

  • @dchh2872
    @dchh2872 5 днів тому

    thank you great video

  • @AngelTerreros-eg4mc
    @AngelTerreros-eg4mc 5 днів тому

    I have a question. Why not run the string line parallel with the batter boards? To mark the true outline of the house? Are you taking into consideration the framing? Is that why you are doing the string lines further in than the boards?

  • @JW-lo2bh
    @JW-lo2bh 5 днів тому

    Ouch! $300k for unfinished 1700 sqft. It's nice, but it's expensive!

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 5 днів тому

      $300k is the the finished price minus a couple of things the clients bought on their own or got free from a source.

  • @RC-qb1dz
    @RC-qb1dz 5 днів тому

    Was looking at getting some until I saw they were $190 a piece for the 8' span. I'll definitely be welding some up though!

  • @dennismartin3562
    @dennismartin3562 5 днів тому

    No rebar or weld wire?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      Our concrete contractor always lays the rebar the day before the pour.

  • @chaseweeks2708
    @chaseweeks2708 5 днів тому

    If memory serves me correctly, one of the biggest reasons you guys had so many problems with moisture in the walls was simply because of the long screws sticking in from the exterior that only had like 1/4-1/2in of foam around them that turned into little snowballs when winter hit. Had those been shorter screws, chopped off, had a thicker foam layer over them or used a smart vapor barrier you probably wouldn't have had any trouble at all. As much as it sucked though, that was definitely a great learning experience for me watching that fiasco. So thank you for that. I think I'm gonna go the way RRBuildings did their recent HQ build, with WRB plywood sheathing, mineral wool panels between the exterior purlins, 5.5in of mineral wool batts, and a smart vapor barrier on the inside. Seems, to me anyway, like a pretty solid and easy insulation package that also can't burn well.

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      That was just one of the issues. Another was the contractor not evenly covering the walls. There were places where he didn't even get a full 1" of coverage. Definitely like Kyle's approach as an alternative. Just make sure you seal up all your penetrations.

    • @chaseweeks2708
      @chaseweeks2708 4 дні тому

      @@MrPostFrame Oh definitely. I'm hoping I can afford to build it like I would imagine Matt Risinger and Kyle would build a barndominium together: Monopoly framed (overhangs added after the building is weather-tight), full Zip from concrete footing to peak, every penetration get's it's own individual hole that is properly sealed, no roof penetrations (unless it's for solar connections or local code won't let me do a sanitary vent in the eaves), and route utilities in under the concrete floor rather than through the walls. That's not gonna be cheap.... One other issue that I tend to see a lot with typical spray foam insulation is that I often don't see much attention spent insulating the gaps between the exterior girts an the posts, especially at the four corners, which seams like a great way to leave a hole in the air/water-control that might take a decade or more to come back to haunt the owner. Also seems like one of the easiest and cheapest aspects to address, which seems extra weird to me.

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      Our spray foam contractor pays extra attention to make sure everything is filled in. There’s a lot of ways to build- money almost always dictates the options. We do our best to show a good combination of budget friendly + practices that are worth the spend when you’re working with a limited budget.

    • @chaseweeks2708
      @chaseweeks2708 3 дні тому

      @@MrPostFrame As a good contractor should, and should be celebrated and promoted for it. I appreciate all that you guys do. I'm pretty sure at least 65% of the reason I'm so set on building our retirement compound using post-frame is because of watching your videos. Thank you. 😀

  • @arthurjock4179
    @arthurjock4179 5 днів тому

    Will you build me the same garage but without the floor heat?

  • @r5zylstra
    @r5zylstra 5 днів тому

    Love this video series, I've watched all of these original videos and I enjoy how you guys are doing these to share your knowledge now versus then.

  • @jloppyhotmail
    @jloppyhotmail 5 днів тому

    And that building is still cheaper than the cars in each bay. 😅

  • @mrtrixx2002
    @mrtrixx2002 5 днів тому

    Finally a video done RIGHT! Great job, and thank you for the work. House looks amazing!

  • @matt588744
    @matt588744 5 днів тому

    I doubt any of y'all know septic code. This system could never support 30 people. This syis big enough for 8 people tops

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      And we wouldn’t want it to try 🤣

  • @Lenny65
    @Lenny65 5 днів тому

    Is this the only type of videos this channel is going to have from.now on no actual builds ?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 5 днів тому

      We are sharing a weekly video that’s a build series right now actually. Here’s the link to the playlist. Don’t hesitate to check out our channel to see what other videos are out! ua-cam.com/play/PL3QM32YjSVn3R9lYxAoEUh3M_tufjYEzj.html&si=HG7qCV62tBQig356

    • @Lenny65
      @Lenny65 5 днів тому

      I just prefer the actual construction of your builds but your channel changed to this format of discussion of do n donts . Boring

  • @fontainewhite6460
    @fontainewhite6460 5 днів тому

    😮😮😮😮❤❤❤❤❤❤wow awesome

  • @mikep4306
    @mikep4306 6 днів тому

    Question. There is a build your own UA-cam channel that claims cc spray foam is flammable and shrinks up to 10 % and advises others not to use. Is any of this factual?

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      There are all different types of spray foam. Not sure what they are using so would need to see the video. I've put a torch directly on the spray foam for 5 minutes. It does char, but does not burn (flammable).

    • @chaseweeks2708
      @chaseweeks2708 4 дні тому

      From what I've seen, most shrinkage issues come down to improper installation. Either the mix is off, there's a contamination in the mix, or the installer tried to spray lifts too thick to save time and the foam ends up not setting up correctly. All comes down to spending the time and money to find a quality installer that will take the time to do it right the first time rather than finding the lowest quote. As for flame resistance, most spray foams seem to include flame retardants these days, but some municipalities may require an additional Ignition Barrier be sprayed over the top of the completed foam install. I think the new IRC 2021 may be including that as well, so even if your municipality doesn't require it, it may not be a terrible idea to build to the next higher standard than required.

  • @kylewhanger175
    @kylewhanger175 6 днів тому

    What’s the reason for not using rebar cages in these piers? Seems to be common to not use them with post frames but then you see a light post in a parking lot get a rebar cage for its pier

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      The engineered design of the bracket doesn’t require it

  • @taon4835
    @taon4835 6 днів тому

    I didn't do this and it cost me more in the long run. Engineer designed 3-ply 2x8's on 24" piers with a 28" belled bottom

  • @lorenrickey5481
    @lorenrickey5481 6 днів тому

    You should also look at TrussLoc spacers. Great for working solo and reusable, but after watching your video I don’t think they will fit your span.

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      This manufacture makes 2', 4' and 8'

  • @samanthasalgado4430
    @samanthasalgado4430 6 днів тому

    Yeah but how many bags of sand did you use?

  • @SantiagoDeLaCruz-qz3ir
    @SantiagoDeLaCruz-qz3ir 6 днів тому

    I wanted one too but to much money for me

    • @MrPostFrame
      @MrPostFrame 4 дні тому

      There’s a lot of great options that are smaller or less expensive finishing options.